Interview with Jess Gowrie (Chelsea Wolfe)

Jess Gowrie of Chelsea Wolfe was kind enough to grant me an interview before her show here in NC on Friday the 13th! So, check it out!

DIY: How did you get the gig playing with Chelsea? I know you played with her before in a different band.

Jess: That’s exactly it. It was probably like 10 years ago, actually I keep saying 10 years ago but it might even longer, but around 10 years ago. We grew up in Sac (Sacramento) together. We were in a band for like 3 years and then you know we parted ways. It was sad but I totally understood and you know she wanted to do a solo thing and so we didn’t actually talk for like 7 years. 2015 rolls around, and we go to a New Year’s Eve party together and instantly just like reconnected as friends. It took about a year – 2016 I was in the band. So it was just a kind of a transitional period of time. I think Dylan (their last drummer, who I also interviewed) was getting my pretty busy with his other project (Mang Chi). I think it was honestly like a mutual kind of time for everyone to just transition into different things, and so the timing was actually really perfect, and so I’ve been with her ever since and we did the record together and it’s been awesome. 

DIY: I’ve seen some of the Instagram pictures, and your light show looks amazing.  

Jess: Yeah! It varies from different sized clubs on a nightly basis you know? Using a full rig, or half a rig. Every time it changes it’s almost like for the better because it’ll be more stripped down and Punk. But, then its super intense because there will be like a strobe behind me, or something that’s just like making up for the fact that the full rig isn’t being used and then when the full rig is up it’s amazing.

DIY: So what are some of your influences? I read in the modern drummer interview that you are a fan of Jimmy Chamberlin (Smashing Pumpkins) and Matt Cameron (Soundgarden)

Jess: I’ve said it a million times but it’s true! I grew up in the 90s, and grunge is very important to me, so learning how to play those songs just like on the radio really developed how I approach writing, but then I realized much later that those are jazz drummers who were in rock bands. I didn’t realize they came with the certain style that usually you don’t get from just being in a rock band, so that kind of helped me broaden my mind I guess without even really realizing that I was playing with like a jazz style. I’m definitely not a jazz drummer, so that’s not what I’m saying, but it’s just like writing a riff rather than just like four on the floor. Jazz kind of like you know, pardon the pun but it really Jazzes it up to see that style in rock. I don’t know, they were just really interesting drummers. 

DIY: So you teach drums as well?

Jess: Yea, I used to teach a lot more, now I’m with her (Chelsea) and I’m hardly home and I don’t have a consistent schedule, but yes I did teach for a huge chunk of time.

DIY: Do you recommend your students playing along to their favorite bands more so than let’s say sitting with a pad? I guess it varies depending on what they’re looking for. 
Jess: I do both, yeah. We start with the pad and then “the fun part” as they put it, is playing along to one of their favorite songs. You’ve gotta make it fun but at the same time, if you are teaching and your student doesn’t know what a paradiddle is then what kind of teacher are you? You just have to incorporate that somehow. But yeah mostly it’s just getting in the garage and jamming to your favorite songs. That’s where your creativity comes from and maybe a passion might be sparked you know?

DIY: Also in the modern drummer interview, I read about Rocket Shells. Tell me about that. Whats it all about?

Jess: Dude, I’d love to. I’ve worked with Rocket Shells since I was 18, so it’s been like 17 years…and it’s a custom carbon fiber Drum Company. The problem though is that drums just weren’t cutting it, so now we branched into custom carbon fiber other things and we don’t make drums anymore, which breaks my heart. However, my snare drum – I’m playing Tama, but my snare drum is my Rocket Shell, and my snare drum is my secret weapon. I get so many fucking compliments on my snare like “what is that!?” and it’s a rare gem. There are some Rocket Shells floating around out there but not really. It’s what sets us apart, in fact, on Hiss Spun I had like 15 snares at my disposal, and we would go through each one for each song and Rocket shells is 80% of that record. And it would be just like, okay we didn’t know it was Rocket Shells, and everyone of us in there would be like “I like this one” which was the Rocket Shells. I mean I would have gone with whatever sounded best, but it was the rocket shells almost every time and I was just so stoked! I switched to Tama because I needed a company who makes drums now, but I will always always use my rocket shell snare. My snare is super fucking loud and my drum set is too, for being kind of on the smaller side of the sizes they project really well, so live you get a bigger bang out of a smaller kick or whatever. 

DIY: I read that you normally use a 20-inch Kick and now you’re using a 22?

Jess: Yea I went a bit bigger. So I can’t play a 24, it makes my toms too far apart, so my compromise was going to a 22. I’m VERY happy with Tama, of course.

DIY: Are you using the Bubinga?

Jess: Well, thats a loaner kit. I have one being made and it wasn’t going to be done in time for this tour. It takes like 5 months or something, but yes in December I’ll have a full Bubinga 22,16,12. I wanted a 13 inch tom but that would have made me wait even longer, so I’ll make that adjustment later down the road. It’s a pretty simple set up but yeah full bubinga, its going to be flat black black. 

DIY: Black hardware too, or just the classic chrome?

Jess: The flat black was kind of a compromise. I personally don’t want to play on some weird color drum set, and naturally with her (Chelsea Wolfe) black works with or without – whoever I’m playing with or whatever I’m doing, black is a classic. It’s like a t-shirt, it matches everything. 

DIY:So you have an endorsement with Tama?

Jess: Yea, that’s basically the reason why I got a loaner kit so I could start getting the word out and not have to wait until my kit was made. They actually came to our first show in Santa Ana and GoPro’d the whole thing by me. I haven’t seen any footage yet but I’m sure it’ll be cool. It was a warm up show, but it was still rad and it was really hot, so I’m sure I was just sweaty and crazy. 

DIY: Do you have any pre-show rituals or anything like that? Or maybe even as far as stretches and warm ups, or also maybe any sort of spiritual thing?

Jess: I mean with the new record, playing these new songs, I definitely started practicing on the practice pad. I used to go in there cold and not do that, but the drumming is a little bit… “more”… on this record and so I just realized I need to start warming up and get loose, but I mean that’s pretty much all I do is you know warm ups on the practice pad and take a couple shots basically. 

DIY: Nice. Whats your poison?

Jess: Well right now its Grey Goose. No whiskey, that’s just bad…bad news. Its mostly just Grey Goose.

DIY: Do you use any in-ear monitors? Or do you just go with the house monitor system?

Jess: Well, I play to a click live so I have only the click, as of now, going into my ear and I rely on the monitors. However, one of our next steps for after this tour is getting me with both of the in ears in, and having my monitor mix, because I know it’s not good for your ears to just have the one. I’ve noticed that when the show starts, my click is to here, but by the time it’s ended I’ve turned my click up way beyond that, and when you put it in your ear the next day you’re like HOLY SHIT! So basically hearing the whole mix in my ear is going to save my hearing for sure, but I just need to get the proper mixer to have all those channels to work with. Other than that it’s just the click thats in my ear yea. 

DIY: What’s your favorite food on the road?

Jess: Oooooh! Alright I think I have some here. (Jess digs through the cabinets of the tour bus) Ah! These miso ramen noodle soups!

DIY: Oh cool! Dr. Mcdougall’s vegan miso ramen noodle soup! Are you vegan?

Jess: No but my bandmates are, so I buy these so everyone can enjoy. I mean I don’t care, they taste fine to me, but these have been a lifesaver. When you’re done and you’re back on the bus and then you’re like I’m hungry, this is it dude. 

DIY: Do you have any advice for drummers trying to “make it”? 

Jess: I mean seriously, two things, and its probably like what everybody would say but it’s SO true. I’ve been playing music for a long time and recently now feel like I’m actually doing some cool shit, and it’s because, like I said I practiced in my garage and kept playing playing playing…and then seriously, do not EVER give up! Like, I don’t care if your band breaks up in 2 years or 5, keep doing it… seriously, something can change just like that, and sometimes takes long time, sometimes it doesn’t, but you just have to keep trying. Perseverance is so cliche but it’s so true. If I had stopped, you know even when Chelsea and I stopped playing together the first time around, we would have never made this full circle to come back into each others lives and create what I think is one of the fucking coolest records that I’ve ever been a part of. I feel like they feel the same way. Everybody put their own little specialness into it and came out with something that I think is very rare for everyone involved.  

DIY:It seems very cosmic.
Jess: Exactly. And that was me going my separate way, being in a bunch of bands, learning my styles and improving my chops, and her going her separate way, making a bunch of records playing with certain different types of people, adding instruments here and there, to get us where we are open-mindedness and just being ready, and we were both ready at the same time and it was great, and here we are we made a record and now we are touring on it. 

DIY: Well thanks so much for chatting with me, and inviting me onto your lovely tour bus!

Jess: Of course! Thanks for having me. And you’re right, there needs to be more female drummers that are like fucking doing shit that people know about. Even the modern drummer thing, I was just like dude thank you for even caring.

DIY: I mean, women in general and female musicians I feel like, for some stupid reason, are not given the same amount of attention as other accomplished musicians, and a lot of the times they are way better.

Jess: I feel like you have to take gender out of it and just look at like, what is this person doing? What are they accomplishing? What HAVE they accomplished? What makes this person special? Whether or not they’re a man or a woman just shouldn’t matter, but for some reason it does, and its a shame. We just need to break that barrier somehow. Like I said, even with modern drummer being like “yea lets do a little story on you”, that’s a big thing! I mean they’re like the Bible of drumming right? I can only hope like…you want to be on the cover, you know? Like THATS the thing. Maybe someday, but you know what we did was more than I would have ever expected, so I’m totally down to talk about drums and get the word for Chelsea out and the record out there. However I can help is important.

Jess plays Tama drums and Vic Firth sticks

Hear her on Chelsea Wolfe’s new album Hiss Spun out on Sargent House Records, and also with her other killer band Horseneck.

Main photo courtesy of Mary Gebhart

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Big News Is Here! 

Alright, so I’ve officially joined the band NETHERLANDS, from Brooklyn NY!

 This is huge!

 They are the weirdest heaviest band you wish you’ve heard of sooner! 

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How to Handle Drumming for Multiple Bands

Being a part of multiple projects can really help keep things fresh, and especially if the projects are very different from one another (they should be) it can help you develop new styles and techniques. This is crucial for growing as a musician, but it can also leave you drained and on the brink of insanity at times if you aren’t careful.

Drummers are always in high demand (You know, since everyone else thinks playing guitar is cooler for some reason). Staying busy as a drummer is way easier than you think, but finding people you want to play with that also want to play with you is the tough part. Thats the ultimate goal as a drummer with the mindset of having fun, gigging, and getting called back.

Im currently in 4 active bands, 3 other recording projects, rotating cover band sets with random talents from around Raleigh, I teach drums and am currently consulting for a concept album (4th recording project), all while trying to keep up with blogging, networking, social media (not doing so hot right now), an amazing girlfriend (who’s also the badass bombshell bassist for the Pie Face Girls) and work.

I’ve always had a scattered mindset, love staying busy, and I have a lot of experience with what it takes to keep your cool when the heat is on. Here are some key points to consider when thinking of joining multiple projects.

You MUST ask yourself these questions first. If you can answer yes to all of them…go for it. If you can’t, don’t even think about it.

  1. Do I like the music/idea/people involved?
  2. Do I have the free time?
  3. Is my schedule flexible enough? (things ALWAYS come up)
  4. Am I doing the band justice rather than joining because I cant say no?
  5. Can I actually bring something new and innovative to the table?

Odds are if you answered yes to all of these, it will probably work out. Its important to keep things fun, so make sure you really are having a good time. Don’t half ass it. The music world aint’ got time for 2nd place.

Playing in 2 or more projects can be extremely fulfilling, but its easy to get overwhelmed very quickly. If your bands are pretty active, or people really like your stuff, you will have dates thrown at you constantly.

Here are some tips for keeping track of everything.

-Get a planner. A real, analog, made of paper, fits in your bag or pocket, planner/calendar.

-Mark your work days, girlfriend days, birthdays, other shows you want to see, and whatever else you have to make time for so you already know your availability.

-Any time you get show offers write down all dates being thrown at you from all projects.

-Once you decide which shows you can do, talk to the bands and see which shows they can/want to do.

Things to keep in mind:

A good nights rest is your best friend in the whole universe.

Eat right, you’ll be way more productive…trust me.

You can’t make everyone happy all the time.

Sometimes you will have to ask off of work, cancel important plans, or disappoint loved ones in order to play gigs. (only do this for super awesome, well planned, great exposure, politically good move shows, and make sure to make it up to anyone you let down)

Don’t be afraid to say no

Saturating the market, especially with local bands, is a huge mistake that can cost you valuable momentum down the road. Its much better to leave people wanting more than to give it all away. This also goes for you as a person.

There you have it folks! Keep drumming!

If you want to check out any of my projects you can find them below.  Also check out the instagram and Facebook for real time updates!





See ya!

How to teach yourself (the process of learning)

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Hey drummists,

I bet some of you have been in the same position I have when trying to learn your craft. You may think, “man, how can I self teach myself to learn more good?” but you just don’t know how to go about it. Sure, you can practice and watch Youtube videos about cool licks, and you know you should practice, but knowing to do something and actually doing it are two different things.

I’m here to talk about something that is often hinted at but not explicitly discussed in the drumming community. That is, specifically how you learn, and the process of catering to your learning style in order to be most effective.

The first tip I have for you is to:

  1. Start at the beginning.

You have to crawl before you can run, and the same goes for learning any concept. You want to master a six-stroke roll? Learn how to play single stroke rolls. It’s okay to run scales or rudiments, and to struggle with them. Your struggling with mundane concepts will make harder concepts much easier to understand, which leads to the second tip…

  1. Break it into bite-sized chunks.

You learn in small groupings, so don’t try to tackle the whole lick/song/solo at once. Do you eat your 50 oz steak in one bite? No, no you don’t. You cut it up into pieces that you can chew and eat in your mouth. If it’s a written piece, write out the sticking pattern. If it’s a complicated jazz tune, write out the beats above the notes (I did this for my first ¾ jazz song I ever learned, “Footprints,” and it wasn’t even fast). Gradually put the bars back together until you can play the set of chunks as one big piece.

  1. Cater to how you learn.

Figuring out how you learn is essential to the first 2 tips, but I felt they needed to be mentioned first. If you are a hands-on learner, get physical with it and work it out with your hands. I personally like to clap out a rhythm if I need a second to digest what I’m hearing. If you learn visually, WATCH people do it and visualize it in your mind’s eye. Even write it out. If you learn through auditory means, listen. Actively listen and take notes. Also, singing a rhythm or pattern (and adding melody if needed) is a great way to comprehend it for auditory learners since the part of your brain that holds songs is so deeply rooted in memory.

Of course, no one is 100% any of these types of learner but you can find your mix and see what works for you (it’ll help for school too, if you’re into academics still).

  1. Be cumulative in your learning. Build on what you already know and branch out from your foundations. I don’t mean to practice the same 4/4 groove every time you sit behind a kit, but don’t forget stuff either. Cumulative learning has shown to be most effective when learning a concept, according to my cognition courses in college (which had cumulative exams, the irony of which is not lost on me). This means repeating stuff until it becomes muscle memorized (this happens with your brain though, your muscles just contract a bunch).
  2. Lastly, be patient with yourself and only compare yourself to yourself, yesterday. If you build each day, then all you see is progress. Don’t compare yourself to others, because you’re not them and they aren’t you. Each musician brings something to the table that is uniquely him or her, and that’s the fun of music. Remember that there is no competition in art, there is only expression.

I hope this was insightful everybody, and I’ll be writing a few more articles/listicles in the future about similar concepts!


Sean McClain


New Project – The Quick Licks drum series

Every week I will be releasing a short video of a new drum groove/fill/exercise with a brief explanation. I’m calling it “Quick Licks”, and you can see the first two episodes right >> here << I encourage anyone to use them and send videos of your own, but you can also just check them out and maybe add something to your practice routine!



Whats in the works?

I’ve been pretty busy lately. Busting my ass as a bar back and finally made my way up the ladder to bar tender. Working the door every Tuesday at my favorite dive. Recently, I made a huge leap and quit one of my jobs a couple weeks back to do this whole drumming thing. Not just playing the drums, but learning and sharing my experiences, writing about shit I think might be interesting or helpful to someone, somewhere…gigs…all that stuff. It’s taken a lot of hard work, but that hard work has only just begun. If you happen to read my blog, just hang in there. I’ve put in a lot of ground work to be able to do this regularly…but that same groundwork has kept me from being as active as I would like. That being said, I will probably attempt a new drum cover, practice video or drum fill break down, and an Interview this week if all goes well.

You can find me on Facebook, Instagram, and youtube as drumityourself. Follow any of my stuff, and I will like the fuck out of your page.


Double Trouble

Double Trouble: Double kick drums vs double pedal

When I got my first drum set I was obsessed with getting a double pedal. At the time, the music I was listening to was an obvious source for emulation and some of the bands used double bass. I got my hands (or feet in this case) on a cheap double pedal and went crazy with is. Over the years my playing has changed quite a bit and I’ve gone through some phases, as one does.

I was introduced to linear drumming or what some would perhaps call gospel style. Most of the drummers in this circuit only used a single pedal…and they were and still are phenomenal. Until that point I had never heard someone play drums like that, and everything changed. Soon I was swearing by the single kick pedal. My next step was to transition the single pedal into some of the more aggressive styles of music I had grown accustomed to using the double pedal for.

This was tough at first, and required learning how to lead with the right foot on the kick and play eighth notes on the down beat, while playing eighth notes on the up beat with the right hand on the floor tom simultaneously. (You can also reverse this method and play the toms on the down beat and kick on the up beat for a different feel.)

Eventually the single pedal became the norm for me and I realized I hadn’t used my double pedal in over 2 years!!

By the time I dusted off the ol’ double I had no clue what to do with it. It took me a while to get used to it again, mainly because the musical projects I was a part of at the time didn’t really call for a double pedal. It was at this point I just started learning how to play songs I knew like I had done in the very beginning.

Then…..along came GROHG.

Among the awesome friendships and opportunities GROHG hath bestowed upon thyself, Will Goodyear has been generous enough to bring his monster kit to our rehearsal space. Lets take a closer look…

Quick Specs: Mapex silver sparkle all maple shells – Die-cast heavy duty hoops – Two 24×18 kicks, 13×9 rack tom, 14×14 and 16×16 floor toms, and 14×7.5 steel snare – Mapex Falcon kick pedals

(not pictured: 12×9 rack tom and 14×8 snare)

What a BEAST!

Heres the thing about using two kick drums: They look cooler, they feel better, and they sound deeper.

I finally get the chance to play on two kick drums and….it feels so much better to me. Sure you have to either move your hi hats way over, or clamp the stand to either the kick drum or a boom stand off to the side in order to get it as close to your left kick pedal as possible….but if you can solve that problem or just deal with it and play it feels amazing.

Here are a few pro’s and cons-

Double pedal: Two kick drums:
-Compact -Takes up more space
-Light weight -More to load
-Easy maintenance -Easy maintenance
-Doesn’t get in the way of hi hats -Sounds bigger
-Minimally visible -Looks bad ass

Tip: You wouldn’t see for example most country drummers using double pedals or double kick drums, which explains why it would look and sound odd or out of place. Keep this in mind if you ever decide to try either kick method. Ask yourself “do I really need it?” “will its application be beneficial?” “is it strictly for looks?” “does double kick belong in my music?”

This doesn’t mean you can’t or shouldn’t add double kick to your music even if others think it wouldn’t necessarily belong…after all what good is making music if you don’t push the boundaries and set the crazy bar a little bit higher, right? Just do what makes you happy as a drummer and you’ll be ahead of the game.